The boy claims it was a woman who died in the fire, details later matching the actual case from decades ago.
In 2015, a five-year-old boy in Ohio began describing memories of his past life as a woman who died in a fire, a claim his mother initially rejected, after details were discovered that appeared to match the actual case from more than two decades earlier. This article, which was later shown on television and cross-checked with similar cases documented by researchers, drew attention to the uniqueness of the child’s statements and the extent to which they aligned with recorded events.
A name that appeared without explanation
Luke Ruhlman first started talking about “Pam” when he was about two years old. His mother, Erica Ruhlman, said that the name came up frequently in everyday conversation, despite the family not knowing anyone with that name. At first he assumed it was imaginary. The situation changed when he directly asked her who Pam was. “Well, I was.” When she questioned what he meant, Luke continued to give a more detailed explanation: “Well, I was, but I died and I went to heaven. I saw God and then eventually, God pushed me back down and I was a baby and you named me Luke.”
Luke’s mother Erica contacted Pam’s family and learned of the resemblance between the deceased and her son/ Image: Fox8
Erica later said in an interview with Ohio State fox 2 This was especially confusing because the family was not religious and had never discussed heaven, God, or reincarnation with her.
Details about his life
As he grew up, Luke continued to describe aspects of this alleged past life in increasing detail. She noted that she was a woman, often mentioning having dark hair and wearing earrings, and pointing to the jewellery, commenting, “I used to have earrings like that when I was a girl.” He also told of traveling by train to Chicago, where his family, who lived in Cincinnati, had never been.
Luke started talking about a mysterious woman named Pam when he was just 2 years old / Image: Fox8
When his mother asked how “Pam” died, Luke replied: “Yes it was fire.” Erica said that he then made a movement with his hands as if he was jumping from a building. He also described the setting as a high-rise building. These specific details repeated over and over again prompted him to look into whether such an event had occurred.
A real fire, and a victim of the same name
Erica’s search leads her to the 1993 Paxton Hotel fire in Chicago, which killed 19 people. The victims included a 30-year-old woman named Pamela Robinson, who died after jumping from a window during the fire. The alignment between what was described by her son, a woman named Pam, the fire, the fall from a building in Chicago, and the documented case prompted Erica to take her claims more seriously.
As Luke begins to share more details, his mother learns about a woman named Pam Robinson, who died 24 years before Luke was born/ Image: Fox8
He later obtained a photograph of Pamela Robinson and placed it among other papers without drawing attention to it. According to his account, Luke found the image himself and recognized it.
Television testing and further verification
The family later appeared on the television program The Ghost Inside My Child, where producers conducted a controlled test. Luke was shown a full page of photographs of various black women, including Pamela Robinson, and asked to identify them.According to his mother Erica Ruhlman, he pointed to the correct image without hesitation and said:“I don’t recognize anyone. But, I remember when it was taken.”Erica also contacted Pamela Robinson’s family to learn more about her life and said she found similarities between her son and the woman, including a shared interest in Stevie Wonder and playing keyboards.
Pam Robinson died in the 1993 Paxton Hotel fire in Chicago/ Image: Fox8
The family has continued to speak publicly about the experience, including in an interview with Fox 2, while also maintaining that they were not motivated by financial gain. “We didn’t get any money for the show,” said Lisa Trump, Luke’s grandmother, who has been closely involved in sharing the family’s account.Erica said she decided to speak out about it because of what she believes this story represents. “It is a positive thing. It’s one of integration, it’s one of love,” she said.Lisa Trump said that, for her, the experience carries a broader message: “I think it tells us that we shouldn’t define soul by race or gender.”The family has also stressed that they are not religious and did not raise Luke with beliefs about reincarnation, heaven or past lives, making their statements more difficult to explain.
Similar cases and how they are studied
Cases involving young children who claim to be told about past lives have been documented and studied, most notably by Jim Tucker, medical director of the Child and Family Psychiatry Clinic and associate professor of psychiatry and neurobehavioral sciences at the University of Virginia School of Medicine. In his 2013 book return to lifeTucker compiled accounts of children reporting detailed memories of past identities. These include a five-year-old boy named Ryan, who described life in Hollywood, a three-year-old golf prodigy who believed he was the reincarnation of 1930s golfer Bobby Jones, as well as a two-year-old whose visit to the Museum of Flight brought back memories of the Battle of Iwo Jima. Researchers note that such accounts often emerge at a very young age and fade over time.
Memories that finally disappeared
The same pattern appears to hold in Luke’s case as well. According to his mother, as he grew older, mention of “Pam” gradually stopped and the detailed memories he once described became blurry. He eventually resumed what the family described as a normal childhood, without talking about the earlier claims.While Luke’s family spoke publicly about the case, Pamela Robinson’s relatives generally declined to comment when contacted by reporters at the time. This case is one of several widely cited examples where a child’s description appears to closely match documented events, although no explanation has been established for why such similarities occur.
